diablopilot 2 #1 November 10, 2009 ....where the fuck is MY stimulus payment? Fuck these guys.... Shoulda let them all burn.... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBA4PMfM4RLkVNkj-ab3ydzYLgQgD9BS9K4O3---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #2 November 10, 2009 Are you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #3 November 10, 2009 QuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #4 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. And they have no Adult supervision for the last 6 years because of Barney Frank. But you go ahead and keep blaming Bush. If you say "it's Bushes' fault" enough, it will magically fix itself."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 November 11, 2009 Quote Quote Are you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. You are correct. The first bailout and subsequent buyout of GM and Chrysler was under President Bush's watch. The following omnibus spending ($410B) and "stimulus II" was under President Obama. As I mentioned here, this is hurling us over the edge. I think you and I agree that the institutions that were destined to fail, should have failed. However, I don't think the talent exists in Washington, DC to control the money supply or the spending. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #6 November 11, 2009 Quote Quote ....where the fuck is MY stimulus payment? Fuck these guys.... Shoulda let them all burn.... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBA4PMfM4RLkVNkj-ab3ydzYLgQgD9BS9K4O3 Hi DP Why do you think you deserve a stimulus package? I don't know if your remember your suggested that the disgruntleed skyride customers complain to the BBB for relief at skyrides questionable business practicesI suggest that if your not happy with the GM bailout package and your lack of a personnel stimulus package you compain to your congress person and president.As a lasy resort if that doesn't work you could take your own advice and compain to the BBBOne Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #7 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. Oh please brother..... Obama out spent bush in 8 months and he wants to bankrupt us with this pork barrell health care bill. Get real Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 November 11, 2009 QuoteI'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #9 November 11, 2009 Quote Quote I'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?)"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #10 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? It's always appropriate to blame the French. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #11 November 11, 2009 Quote ....where the fuck is MY stimulus payment? Fuck these guys.... Shoulda let them all burn.... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBA4PMfM4RLkVNkj-ab3ydzYLgQgD9BS9K4O3 Yea, our #4 product; fuck it, fuck America - let it burn How long can we fail to produce products and still have a high GDP so we can pay the bills for matching the world dollar for dollar in military spending? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #12 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. Amazing, isn't it? Virtually the whole debt is the doing of the right, yet the fault is the left's; I don;t wonder how were such a FU'd nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. And they have no Adult supervision for the last 6 years because of Barney Frank. But you go ahead and keep blaming Bush. If you say "it's Bushes' fault" enough, it will magically fix itself. Bush and the R congress cut taxes which started this mess. Isn't it amazing that things go to fuck under an R president and congress most of the time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you surprised???? Obama's wasteful spending hasn't fixed anything......... Call Congress and tell them to quit poisoning captialism. How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. Oh please brother..... Obama out spent bush in 8 months and he wants to bankrupt us with this pork barrell health care bill. Get real Bush ran the debt up 5T, how do arrive at that? Bush inherited a descent economy, Obama inherited the worst in 70 years; how do you figure? Obama spent on what, the 787B stimuls which is largely still there, what else? He only spent to take a dangerously messy economy and bring it back inline; where is your excessive spending? You're outta gas, there is none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 November 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 November 11, 2009 Jeez Lucky. You must really like hearing yourself post. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #17 November 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible? Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fL469k9qc Yes this clip has been used on speakers corner before. I just thought I would post it again if you missed it."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #18 November 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible? Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fL469k9qc Yes this clip has been used on speakers corner before. I just thought I would post it again if you missed it. Data from the US Treasury are generally more accurate than youtube clips, in my experience.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #19 November 12, 2009 >Virtually the whole debt is the doing of the right, yet the fault is the left's . . . Oh, I'd say there was enough "doing" and "fault" on both sides to go around. Both parties like nothing better than to spend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 November 12, 2009 Quote Jeez Lucky. You must really like hearing yourself post. Considering you post about nothing of the thread topic - ditto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #21 November 12, 2009 QuoteData from the US Treasury are generally more accurate than youtube clips, in my experience. Yeah sure............... Ben Bernanke Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #22 November 12, 2009 Quote How long can we fail to produce products and still have a high GDP so we can pay the bills for matching the world dollar for dollar in military spending? It took a few decades for deficit spending combined with an expensive military to crush the Soviet Union. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #23 November 12, 2009 Quote Quote Data from the US Treasury are generally more accurate than youtube clips, in my experience. Yeah sure............... Ben Bernanke I would also like to add that the data from the Youtube clip came from some where. Listen really closely and you can hear the reference at the end of the clip.... Cough... Hack..Obama's ..cough... own... hack... office.... Something in my throat..."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #24 November 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm looking forward to the frog marches OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible? Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fL469k9qc Yes this clip has been used on speakers corner before. I just thought I would post it again if you missed it. -------> I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture, You'll get there, just keep trying. Not me, I can easily extrapolate from words. -------> Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I had to stop at intervals and fix all the fuckups on the vid; it's really just a RW video rag. - Under FDR with the GD and WWII we drive 40MPH to Greensburough, NC. ------so let's examine that. The GD and 4 years of fuck-ups and tax cuts, lassiz faire brilliance killing x number of Americans and ruining most things, this mess gets handed off to FDR. About all we can say for Hoover is that he finally came to his senses and jacked taxes to 63% top brkt. and started some relief programs. Other than that FDR inherited a total POS. Then after fixing it it turned south mid 37 and then the world was at unrest and he had a MAJOR war to contend with. So after setting us up to win, the debt grew undewr the GD and WWII. At least he had the sense to jack taxes to, at one point in 44-45, 94% top brkt. FDR handled the GD and war perfectly. Love to hear neo-cons bitch about his spending yet love hos bomb-dropping; the Manhattan Project cost 2B; quit bitching. - The car went backwards 20 MPH under Truman. ----------- BS, the debt was 258,682,187,409.93 in 1945 and 259,105,178,785.43 in 1952, which is kind, as using 1953 numbers is more acccurate and they're 7B higher. Remember kids, the top tax brkt was in the 90's during the 40's and 50's, the debt actually fell a couple years under Eisenhower. http://130.94.230.21/debt_history.htm Remember, the debt grew the most under time of WWII and when the top brkt was - Under facist Ronnie with a Dem Congress --------- This retard needs to understand the Senate was R but for the last 2 years when really few fiscal laws were passed. Most of the damage hadd been done the first 6 years. The narrator is an idiot. - Under Clinton with the Repblican congress. ----------- Hey idiot narrator, both chambers of congress were Dem for his first 2 years, the time when teh tax increases were passed. Very little was done after that, as Newt threw his dick up on the counter against Clinton and lost. -- Under GWB the debt car went 64MPH, ---------- these are adjusted for inflation, as he said. Reagan was 50MPH, GWHB was 63, so we see the real leadfoots here. -- Budget estimates for the next 8 years. ------------ Right, estimates. I wonder when Clinton took office I bet the adjusted estimates were for 4 trillion, but it endsed up being 1.6 with a huge surplus and balanced budget, sane debt increase. One factor dickhead narrator isn't factoring is the condition of teh debt car. To blame Clinton, GHWB or Obama for whatever spending/debt increase is idiotic, as their car was battered and running on 2 cylinders, the others had at least descent running cars. Of course the neo-con approach is to ignore this. What they're doing is looking at this as an abstract of the Obama's presidency. They're saying that if Obama passed a 787B stimulus Bill every year plus war appropriations for Bush's wars and so on that the 178MPH would be reality and they're right. If we kept this pace of spending up, that would be true. But this is spending directly related to: - Bush's 2 illigitimate Wars he didn't finish or win - Bush's crashed economy - Bush's 700B bank bailout - Bush's entire mortgage mess, much of what hasn't been uncovered yet But the other side says to let the economy fix itself and tax cuts, my friends. Brilliance. This logic is like lending a car with 250k miles to a neighbor and as he calls and says it broke down, you ask what he did to break it. Just ridiculous. Let's examine the individual presidents speed. FDR = 40 MPH Truman = -20MPH Reagan 50MPH GHWB = 63MPH Clinton 18MPH GWB = 64MPH So let's group them by party: Dems: Clinton 18MPH FDR = 40 MPH Truman = -20MPH AVERAGE: 12.66 MPH Repubs: Reagan 50MPH GHWB = 63MPH GWB = 64MPH AVERAGE: 59 MPH. So now who's the leadfoot party. But let's be fair and look at the totality of the issues during their presidencies. - FDR: GD, WWII - TRUMAN: DROPPED BOMBS, Postwar labor issues, postwar prosperity - REAGAN: COULDN'T FIND DIAPERS TO FIT QUITE RIGHT, THE PSEUDO-COLD WAR AGAINST A SO-CALLED ENEMY THAT WAS ON THE WAY OUT ANYWAY - GHWB: INHERITED A MESS FROM A DELUDED PRESIDENT, FORCED TO RAISE TAXES AGAINST HIS WISHES TO CONTROL THE DEBT, HAD TO REDUCE AN OVERBUILT MILITARY, GULF WAR - CLINTON: INHERITED A DEFICIT AND DEBT MESS FROM 8 YEARS OF REAGAN AND 4 OF GHWB TRYING TO FIX IT, ENJOYED THE COMPUTER START-UP ERA, - GWB: INHERITED THE TAIL END OF THE MOST ROBUST ECONOMY EVER, 911, KATRINA So that completes the picture, some presidents that sucked have a bit of an excuse, others do not. GWB had some bad shit happen, but handled it all wrong. Reagan had very little bad happen and totally fucked it up. Clinton had a great stretch of time and did most things right. Obama inherited a total abortion and to this early point has done very well. GHWB inherited a turd and never had teh chance to fix much, had the war as a distraction but handled it perfecctly. I apologize to conservatives for the data; I'm sure there are plenty of spelling errors you can investigate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 November 12, 2009 Quote>Virtually the whole debt is the doing of the right, yet the fault is the left's . . . Oh, I'd say there was enough "doing" and "fault" on both sides to go around. Both parties like nothing better than to spend. Altho that's true about spending, the other thruth is about taxing and the R's just don't like taxing with their spending; all wine - no cheese for them. At the same time, the only other D in the last 28 years, Clinton increased spending 28% from first year to last. Counting inflation and population growth, that's at worst a break even, meaning he didn't increase spending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
